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Overview

There are many variations to the common potato gun. This section discusses some of the most common variations to the standard potato gun.
Structure

T-Shaped Combustion Chamber

Using a T or Y joint, the combustion chamber will have two endcaps on it. The purpose of this modification is to capture combustion byproducts or the byproduct of the evolution of your propellant. I know, you're saying "What?!" For example: Combining bleach and calcium carbide will evolve Oxygen and Water. The Oxygen is useful in combusion, water is not. Combining the two in the T-Shaped chamber allows the water to fall to the lower portion of the chamber so it won't impede the reaction. This chamber also has other applications; use your imagination.


U-Shaped Combustion Chamber

Note: The idea has been delicately "lifted" from Edward Goldmann's Spud Launching Page.

This time, the combustion chamber is made out of a 180' drain trap to double it back upon itself. The advantage: Space saving, and it looks cooler.

Joint Reinforcement

Bolts are an effective means to add strength to your joints. They're especially useful if you intend on using the higher-order propellants. You simply need to drill holes for as many bolts as you wish, coat the bolt with plenty of sealant and use a nut on the inside to hold it in place. This should give you more piece of mind when doing those big time shots :)


See also:Variants: Dimensions

Aiming

A variation I have thought of but not yet employed:

Remote Control Aiming

The idea: A way to remotely aim and fire the potato gun.
Implementation: The potato gun fits into a harness. The harness is constructed out of wood. Two RC car motors are used to swivel the gun on its base, and raise/lower the barrel. Ignition is electric to allow for the remote firing.



If anyone tries this idea, please let me know. Otherwise, I'll add details when I construct it.
Rapid-Reload

Suggestions?


This section needs help. If you're up for it, drop me an email!

Pneumatics

Help!

I don't know enough about Pneumatics to write this section. I would like someone else to help me fill this in. If you'd like to write this portion of my page, please send me email. I would like a very thorough page, but there are no limits on it. Thanks!

Silencer

Introduction

This section includes 3 diagrams which will aid in your understanding of the construction. Text users can download them by downloading these three links:
SILENCE1.GIF SILENCE2.GIF SILENCE3.GIF

The principle behind a silencer is simple. The expanding gas in a gun reaches the end of a barrel. When this happens, the gas expands in all directions in a sort of shock-wave. The resulting wave of compressing and expanding gas reaches your ear as a bang.

The objective then of a silencer is to prevent the gas from freely expanding in the air by instead allowing it to slowly expand within the silencer. This is achieved in commercial silencers by porous metals and controlled air flow. Because we can't expect to be very technical, our silencer is a basic model of this principle which you can easily build from the same materials the gun is made from.

Note that these are only plans for such a device. I have not constructed one nor do I plan to. This device may be illegal where you live, or it may not work at all. I can't vouch for it.

Description of construction



The construction of this device is best aided by the diagram.

Parts:
1 6" piece of 4" dia. ABS or PVC piping
1 10" piece of 2" dia. ABS or PVC piping
1 4"->2" reducing bushing
1 2"->2" coupling sleeve, threaded on the inside at one end several pieces of foam pad or sponge (silencing material)

(*) You may have to alter the diameter of the pieces to match the specifications of your gun. You shouldn't need to buy any new piping, use the leftovers from your barrel and combustion chamber.

(**) Don't forget, if you have a lesser diameter on any of these pieces that you ought to increase the length to compensate.
Assembly:

First and most importantly, the inside of your coupling sleeve and the outside of your guns barrel need to be threaded. This is because you do not want to permanently affix the silencer to your gun for various reasons.

1) After having the threading done, use your piping glue to glue the piece of 10" long, 2" dia. piping into the non-threaded end of the coupling sleeve.

2) Once that has set, slide the 4"->2" reducing bushing down until it is flush against the coupling and the 4" end is open opposite the coupling sleeve. Apply glue, and allow to set.

3) Using a drill, drill many (how many is up to you, but not TOO many) tiny holes into the 10" piece of piping. Use the smallest drill bit you can find (I don't have any suggestions), or else you'll end up turning your potato into french fries when you fire it. These holes allow the air to expand before exiting the barrel.

4) Next, glue the 4" dia. piece of pipe into the open end of the bushing. You should have a pipe within a pipe now, otherwise you got confused somewhere. Allow the glue to set, as usual.

5) Jam that foam or sponge into the area between the two pipes. The tighter, the better. This silences and slowly allows the air to expand as it hits it. This is what will absorb the bang.

All told, you should have a functional silencer. I do not know the exact length of the coupling and bushing, so you may need to shorten (or length!) the 2" dia. pipe to make them even. When attached, it will look like you have a gun with two combustion chambers. It may be necessary to use something to hold the foam (or sponge) in the silencer, I haven't a clue.


Tracking

One of the things I've often wanted to be able to do was track my shot. There have been a few ideas tossed around but you have to keep in mind when you're tracking your shot:
Will I be starting a forest fire with this?
Can it be seen in the day as well as the night?
Is it even going to work??

Thankfully I've answered all of those questions already. Here are a few means to use to safely track your shot.


Have an idea of your own? Send it to me!
PVC v ABS

Finally, an answer to the much posed question:

What is the difference between PVC and ABS piping??


UPDATED!

I still get conflicting email about this issue on a regular basis. I've decided to throw what Ace Hardware told me out the window; most people seem to disagree with them. Instead, I'll be quoting what I've been told in an email.


The Bottom Line


There are really only two important differences between PVC and ABS piping (besides the color). First of all, ABS is more expensive and more difficult to find. Secondly, ABS is more rugged than PVC. It will crack cleanly (when it breaks) where PVC shatters. ABS also won't degrade from exposure to sunlight and temperature extremes as much as PVC will.


My recommendation is: If ABS is feasable, then use it.

For most people, PVC piping is still completely safe. The differences are important for more powerful guns. If it's safety you're worried about though, then I suggestion you read on.

THE WEAKEST PART OF YOUR GUN IS THE JOINTS.
I cannot stress enough how vital they are. While the gun can stand 270 PSI the joints cannot come near that. Many people have written saying that their gun "exploded" and pulled apart at the joints in a powerful shot. I've never heard of anyone's gun bursting because the pipe failed to hold. When you build your gun, keep this in mind: Your joints need to be assembled properly! A common habit is to cut corners, well don't! For a few extra dollars, buy the pipe cleaner and clean the joints before gluing. Buy the purple primer and prime your joints. Lastly, cement the joints right. Slide the pipe in firmly. Wipe off excess cement, and let the cement cure completely before you go and put any pressure on them. That includes the pressure of pressing another fitting on. If you're concerned at all about the safety of your gun, the above is much more important than, "Am I using PVC or ABS?"



Miscellaneous
Send me your comments and suggestions. I'll put them in here!

Construction flaws to avoid

Sparker on the side

Mounting your sparker on the side of your chamber adds considerable weakness to the chamber and invites disaster. However, such a position is favorable because it can ignite your propellant from the center rather than the end. The result: faster burn. But how can you mount the sparker in the side-center of the chamber if it's a safety hazard? The answer: Put a T-Joint in the center of your chamber and mount the sparker in an endcap on the T. This is far safer than mounting the sparker directly into the side of the chamber.

Flawed joints

Yes, one of my pet peevs. When you build your gun, don't skimp on your joints. Remember to:

These steps give you stronger joints by far. Nobody wants to be holding their gun when a joint breaks apart and sends things flying. Don't skimp!

I received an email from Steven Yahn, syahn@tscnet.com, which supports what I've said above as well as offering great inside info on pipe joints. Please click

HERE.

Relative weights of gasses


You're probably asking 'why do I need to know the weight of my propellant?' Well most importantly, you should know if your propellant is heavier or lighter than air. Although this is really only useful for people who fill their chambers by unscrewing one end, I'm sure others can put the data to use.



Average weight of air: 28.97
Weight of:
Propane: 42.08
Oxygen: 32.00
Butane: 58.12
Ethane: 30.07
Methane: 16.04
Methyl Alcohol: 32.05
Octane (who knows): 114.22
Propaline (if I knew what it was, I'd tell you): 42.08
Note ... a cleaner version of this data in table-format for graphics users can be found here.
This means that in general, most propellants are going to be heavier than air. So when you're filling your chamber, keep the open end of it up, and the plugged end down so your gas doesn't just float back out of the chamber.

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Date last modified: Feb. 26, '98